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A
Guide to Some Ormus-Like Technologies
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revision date: 12/31/2023
A Short
Glossary
Please bear in mind as you peruse the pages of this website the
meanings of the following terms: MEOW
-- magnetite effect ormus water
MEOW
device -- a device employing a mass of magnetite black sand which is
used for MEOW transformation of water or other aqueous liquids. A MEOW
device usually consists of a container holding a shell of
magnetite with a hollow within into which a bottle of water may be
inserted for treatment.
MEOW kettle -- an alternate term for a MEOW device; term is used
interchangeably with the terms MEOW
device or MEOW
alembic.
If you wish to read more about these terms and
how they came into use, please see the
section entitled A
Note on Boring Terms and Not-So-Boring Terms and a Short Glossary,
on the main page of the OrmusWater/MEOW directory on this website. |
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A Brief Introductory Note
As
of late May 2007, this is a new website, created in response to a
perceived need which I explore more fully in the sections below. I will
be adding more subdirectories and sections to this site as time passes.
At this time, the other pages or subsites to be found on this website
are as follows: - Magnetite effect ormus
water technology, aka MEOW
technology.
- Some
miscellaneous notes on various
ormus-related topics.
- A
brief
biography
of some of my involvement with various subtle energy and ormus-like
realms (please also see the list of non-traditional ormus technologies
below, as that section will also offer somewhat of an overview as well.)
Enjoy!
Introduction to What I Call Ormus-Like Technologies or
"Non-Traditional" or "Non-Classical" Ormus Technologies
I
have, throughout much of my adult life, spent much time in researching
various nooks and crannies of what I will call the field of "subtle
energies", particularly in the realms of human health and especially
human nutrition. However, when exploring this rich field of subtle
energy phenomena and technologies, I have largely been guided by Holy
Spirit
to avoid what I will call the "inorganic chemistry methods" -- that is,
methods which largely involve fire, distillation, acid/base reactions
or strong oxidizers -- of producing nutritional supplements with subtle
energy properties known as ormus effects. Rather, I have consistently
been guided across the years to focus on subtle
energy ormus-like nutritional supplements in the realm of what I
call "non-traditional" or
"non-classical" (i.e., not produced by the
fire / distillation / acid/base / oxidizer methods of inorganic
chemistry)
ormus technologies, including those which fall in
the following
categories: - Let's
start with a few biotransformation methods of
ormus creation/concentration, by mentioning the syntropic
antioxidative microbial (SAM) Type 4 consortia and PNSB
microbes. In many ways, while not the
only microbes in SAM Type 4 consortia, the PNSB microbes are the heart
of SAM Type 4 cultures, and are
largely responsible for its ormus-like
subtle energy effects.
One of the better-known commercially-available SAM Type 4 culture
products is
often referenced as EM. In fact, since the early 1980s,
many persons
(including academic researchers) who worked with EM products in Japan
have sensed the powerful subtle energy properties of many EM products
and first have called this property by various names such as chi or Qi,
and then later, in an effort to sound more "scientific" called this
property by the name "wave resonance" and later (after the
bleeding-edge works of Dr. Shinichi Seike on gravity fields and gravity
waves became better-known in Japan) by the name "gravity waves."
Incidentally, another Japanese scientist with a very similar surname,
Dr. Hideo Seki (who died around the year 2004), whose work was
also focused on what he called "gravitons" and "gravitational energy"
also claimed that EM products emitted copious amounts of a subtle
energy that he called "graviton" energy, as has his student Masakazu
Karita, a Japanese university professor who has become rather famous
of late in subtle energy fields for his claims regarding magnets and
subtle energy. I have worked with the PNSB and syntropic antioxidative
microbe
technologies since 2002, and have worked and played with Dr. Shinichi
Seike's ideas of gravity fields since the late 1970s. As for the ormus
or
ormus-like appellation for some of the subtle energy effects of SAM
Type
4 products, if my memory serves me right, there was quite a buzz on
several of the ormus list groups in the early 2000s to the effect that
several ormus researchers had stumbled upon EM and had become
quite impressed with what they felt were its
ormus properties. And then, again if my memory serves me right, within
a
year or two after that initial "buzz", ormus
popularizer/lecturer Barry Carter and a few folks from the mainstream
ormus world appear to have been some of the early adopters of the term
"ormus" and "m-state" in relation to the subtle
energy effects of EM, but they were hardly the only ones, and, among
others, a number of West Coast ormus researchers seemed to have jumped
on
the same terminology bandwagon shortly thereafter. For
more
information on SAM Type 4 consortia and ormus-like properties, please
see the SAM
and Ormus
page on this website!
- I
must mention here another biotransformation source of ormus-like
properties and effects that I have worked with: In the late 1980s and
early 1990s, I was already quite fascinated with the trace element
properties and subtle energy properties of certain clays and rock
dusts, including Pascalite clay and Azomite Rock dust, and I was
ingesting each of them as nutritional supplements. I was
guided
(by inner guidance) in the late 1980s to start growing wheatgrass in
soil in trays, and to add copious quantities of Azomite clay and
Pascalite clay to the soil. The resultant wheatgrass, after juicing,
was very powerful in its nutritional effects, and seemed to exhibit
strong subtle energy and healing properties well beyond that of
wheatgrass juice from wheatgrass grown on "normal" soil, and
particularly much more powerful than that of wheatgrass grown
hydroponically. Nowadays, we would call those powerful subtle
energy effects which I noticed with the wheatgrass juice by the name
"ormus" or "ormus-like" effects.
- And
here is one more biotransformation (or "biological") source of
ormus-like effects, in addition to those listed above: In the early
1990s, as guided by Holy Spirit, I
started
investigating the powerful liquid nutritional products developed by Dr.
George Merkl known variously across the years under various names,
including Chondriana, Life Crystals, Sumerian Elixir, Vida Source and
others. These products were all produced by microbial fermentation --
in a
glass-walled "Solar Reactor" exposed to direct sunlight -- of a mixture
of
the juices of several fruits along with several herbs, all from plants
that had been grown on rich volcanic soils, particularly sources from
the volcanic regions of Central America. These products exhibited
strong subtle energy effects, and by 1996 a number of ormus researchers
on the old White Gold email list group had labeled these effects as
ormus-like and
had labeled the Life Crystals product (under its many and ever-changing
names) as
an ormus product. As I recall, there were many
members of the early White Gold online ormus
community and some other early forums and list groups who were very
enthusiastic about these fermented products and
their ormus properties.
- magnetite
effect ormus water, aka MEOW, which Dr.
John
Milewski has sometimes called "magnetic water" or "vortex water" and
its ormus-like subtle energy effects. I have worked with this MEOW
technology since 2006; to me, the effect was quite familiar as it seems
to be very similar to field effects which I have observed over the
years with various minerals, ores, gems and clays. As for the ormus or
ormus-like appellation for some of the subtle energy effects of MEOW
water, I believe that John Milewski and Barry Carter and a few
old-school ormus researchers in the Southwest USA were some of the
early
adopters of the term "ormus" for these effects. For a rather complete
overview of this MEOW technology, along with complete instructions on
how to build your own MEOW kettles,
please see the Ormuswater/MEOW website on this site.
- the non-contact ormus-like subtle
energy effects of
various
ores, minerals and gems on water. Some examples of this genre are the
MEOW technology listed above, the laminar crystal technologies which
have been marketed and popularized in the past by several
persons and vendors, including Jim Carter and his Twilight products,
aka
Yinergy products (these were the focus of the book Holy Water, Sacred Oil The
Fountain of Youth, by C. Norman Shealy, M.D.), and also
marketed across the
years under product names such as Twilight America, Cell Wellness
Restorer,
Evolion, Quest of Youth, and Starbabies. Other examples of these
technologies are the ore-effects products of
David
Schneider (i.e., rare earth tube/pipe, Stir Wand, etc.) and others, the
plethora of "orgonite" products (using particles of crystals, granite
or metal
suspended in epoxy resin) products on the market (i.e., the Holy Hand
Grenade, etc.) which claim to have subtle energy ormus effects, and
others. I have worked since the mid-1980s with subtle energy effects of
various rock dusts and clays such as Azomite, Pascalite and
particularly with ores rich in rare earths and transition elements;
these
ores/dusts are also high in ormus forms of elements as well. As for the
ormus or ormus-like appellation for some of the subtle energy effects
of laminar crystal products, I seem to recall that I started to see
many persons in the ormus world begin to claim that these effects were
ormus effects back around the year 2001.
- the
"aetheric energy" (aka "etheric energy")
technologies
with which Danae of AncientTek works, including her "Sparky
Water", her "etheric water gold" products and a few other products;
this
technology is very similar to other HV discharge technologies (and
their subtle-energy effects) which have been included in this bulleted
list. I have been playing with Danae's products and exploring
her technology
since I first became aware of her work in early
2007. Regarding
the
ormus or ormus-like appellation for some of the subtle energy effects
of Danae's "aetherically-charged" products, I believe that Barry Carter
and several ormus researchers were the first to
start employing
those terms for the effects of these charged products.
Incidentally, the "aetheric energy" device which Danae uses
in
producing the
Sparky Water employs a modified "Joe Cell"; these cells -- consisting
of concentric cylinders of non-ferromagnetic metals -- when properly
employed, act as a subtle energy/orgone concentrator; this entire field
of the subtle energy/orgone effects of certain geometric
shapes
and configurations is one with which I have played for many years. For
more
information on these technologies and products, please see the article on a page on
this website which
offers a brief history and background on Danae's aetheric energy
charging device, along with a report on some lab tests which I ran on a
sample of spent cell juice (electrolyte liquid) from the "aetheric
energy battery" in the device; this will also give you a brief
overview of this fascinating "aetheric energy" technology and its
effects.
- the
ormus-like subtle energy effects, aka "exotic energy" effects,
exhibited by
some
technologies, many of them high-voltage technologies, which direct a
spark, corona or plasma discharge through water, space or people; this
field
would include some of the Rife plasma devices and some of the Tesla
spark discharge devices. I have worked intensively in this field since
1974 and wrote an invited article (I was later told that it was widely
considered at the time to be a
definitive article on this topic; that amazed me because the editor had
needed to edit it heavily to get it to fit on one page, thus
accidentally eliminating much of the "meat") in 1981 for a
small
journal called Technology
Tomorrow,
published by the Future Technologies/Special Studies Division of the
World Futures
Society. I remain the copyright owner of the article, and, since the
journal and the entire Future Technologies division
are now defunct, I have posted the article,
along with some of my notes about it, to a dedicated
page on this website. As you may know, many persons now
claim
that many of the effects of some of these technologies are ormus-like
effects.
- In
a vein closely related to that listed immediately
above,
the ormus-like subtle energy effects of various 10th+ generation cold
fusion electrochemical cells, particularly those employing
tungsten/titanium electrodes and KCL and lithium salts in the
electrolyte; these devices have been widely cited as exhibiting all
sorts
of subtle-energy effects and some versions have been known to emit
small
ball-lightning discharges which leave the glass beaker and move about
the room. A number of instantiations of these cells are very similar to
the so-called Joe Cell free energy devices and also to some of the
technologies used by Danae Harding in producing her sparky water. I
have
been working in this field since the mid-1990s. In fact, at one time,
my work with the 10th+ generation cold fusion cells outgrew my one-room
lab and I ended up converting part of my guest room into a lab
bench
dedicated only to my cold fusion cell research, the large bench was
cluttered with high-current DC power supplies, gamma
and neutron
radiation monitors, and a number of pieces of test equipment. While the
goal of most cold fusion researchers was to produce "excess energy" or
"excess heat" or a high flux density of neutron radiation, my own
interest in working with the cold fusion cells was not to do that at
all, but rather, to try to generate the ball lightning effect and the
glowing purple underwater plasma which had been widely reported by
other researchers in connection with this technology.
Interestingly, some friends who were psychics (i.e., very intuitive)
stated at the time to report sensing some weird phenomena in that room
as a result of those cold fusion cell experiments; one of these stories
makes for a great tale which I will sometimes relate to fellow
researchers while sitting in a pub late at night!
- the
ormus-like effects of some geometric shapes and configurations --
including pyramids, cones, concentric metallic cylinders and
flat or
conical spirals of wire/metallic tubing -- on animals, people
and
water. I have
worked with these technologies since the late 1970s. A wide range of
people in the ormus world seem to have been freely using the term
"ormus" and "m-state" to reference many of these effects since at least
the late 1990s.
- somewhat
related to the category (i.e., properties of
geometric shapes such as pyramids, cones, concentric cylinders
and spirals of wire) listed
immediately above, the ormus-like subtle energy effects of various
inter-related technologies which have often, since the late 1930s, been
called "orgone" devices (i.e., the "orgone box" and the "cloudbuster".)
Much as is true for the above-listed category, I have worked with these
technologies since the late 1970s. A wide range of people in the ormus
world and the orgone world seem to have been freely using the term
"ormus" and "m-state" to reference many of these effects since at least
the late 1990s.
- the
ormus-like subtle energy effects of some forms
and
geometries of magnetic fields upon water. I have worked in this field
since the late 1970s, and a good chunk of my consulting workload for
clients falls in this realm. As you are already well aware, many
vendors of such magnetic products claim that their products create or
isolate/amplify ormus in water.
- the
ormus-like subtle energy effects of some trace
elements
and nutrients (such as certain forms of vitamin B12) when treated with
primitive primeval atomic hydrogen antioxidants such as those found in
so-called alkaline ionized water (really better referenced as
electrolyzed reduced water, or ERW) and the silica hydride products
developed by Dr. Patrick Flanagan, such as MegaH. I have been working
in this field since 1998; a small portion of my consulting work for
clients (including several vendors of ormus products) has fallen in
this realm.
- as guided
by Holy Spirit, I started sungazing in 1987
and
have been a sungazer ever since. Putting aside the extreme and untrue
claims made for the benefits of sungazing by several self-styled
fanatical and fundamentalist sungazing gurus from India, it is entirely
true that many sungazers may experience an increase in inner energy and
health due to sungazing. I have learned recently that there are several
websites and list groups which posit the thesis that sungazing imparts
an ormus-like effect in the body, or, as some claim, that the act of
sungazing produces ormus in the body; some persons in this realm have
likewise claimed that exposing water to sunlight produces "solar water"
and that this Solar Water exhibits ormus effects when ingested.
Personally, I have never used the terms "ormus" or "ormus-like" in
connection with sungazing or "solar water".
- as guided by Holy Spirit, I have had a strong
interest in
trace element nutrition since the early 1980s, and in the mid and late
1980s and the early 1990s, I did a lot of work growing wheatgrass and
sprouts using Azomite rock dust and small amounts of unrefined Celtic
sea salt. I consistently observed that the nutritional properties and
the subtle energy properties of the wheatgrass and sprouts were always
much better when the sprouts were grown on soil rather than in
hydroponic growers. I finally realized that the key to making many of
the so-called "trace element" nutrients in Azomite available to the
plants was to first make them bioavailable via microbial
transformation, and I also realized that the microbes which performed
this bioconversion lived on the surfaces of the roots and in the soil
near the roots. I then realized that the largest difference between
even the best hydroponic systems and even mediocre soil-based systems
was that the latter provided a much better environment for the
development and propagation of beneficial microbes which could perform
the much-needed bio-transformation of "trace element" nutrients from
the inorganic state to the organic state, whence they could be
efficiently used by the plants. In fact, I observed that most
hydroponically-grown wheatgrass and sprouts had very weak subtle energy
properties, while such sprouts grow in soil along with Azomite
exhibited strong subtle energy properties. This led the foundation for
much of my later work with beneficial syntropic antioxidative
microbes (SAM), and for my
later work with ormus-like substances and effects from "living"
etherically-charged sources rather than inorganic sources.
A Quick Note
Much
as I have already hinted elsewhere on this page, it is precisely the
non-traditional (i.e., not produced by the methods of inorganic
chemistry) types of ormus-like technologies and phenomena listed above
which are among those "non-traditional" technologies most often cited
by "old-school" true-blue rear guard ormus aficionados as not being
"really"
ormus, since they were not produced/created by means of inorganic
chemistry methods (i.e., fire, distillation, filtration, acid/base
reactions, strong oxidizers, etc.). Two other technologies which are
also frequently cited as "not real ormus" by many of the old-school
rear
guard ormus
or White Gold diehards are these:
- so-called ormus magnetic "vortex" devices such as
blenders with magnets attached to the circumference of the blender jar
- magnetic
trap devices, aka traps, which employ magnets to reportedly isolate
ormus-like elements from flowing water (i.e., tap water, etc.)
Interestingly,
I must largely agree with the old-school diehards in their rejection of
the
first-cited instance (that is, magnetic "vortex" devices which employ
blenders and magnets), albeit for profoundly different reasons than
those which they would cite: While
the old-school White Gold/inorganic chemistry ormus buffs would reject
the
"vortex" blenders on the grounds that they do not employ the methods of
inorganic chemistry and classical alchemy, I do not care about the
means/method used to
produce the resultant water (or other liquid), and rather,
what concerns me, as an
intuitive as well as a scientist, is simply the effects exhibited by
the water or other liquid treated in such devices. And, the reality is,
speaking again as both an intuitive and a scientist, I have
never
been able to sense any particularly significant nor useful ormus-like
subtle energies
in water and other liquids and foodstuffs treated in such devices; my
personal experience in ingesting liquids treated
in such
devices has entirely validated my intuitive sense.
How Did Usage of these
Ormus-related Terms Emerge as Descriptors for
these
Non-Traditional Technologies? Before
moving on, allow me to clearly and unambiguously state that while each
of the above "non-traditional" phenomena, technologies or products have
been labeled by
many as exhibiting ormus properties or ormus-like in effects, I
personally was not the first adopter (i.e., first user) of any of those
terms in those realms, nor was I an early adopter (i.e., early user) of
either of those terms in any of the realms listed above.
Rather, my linguistic behavior in each of those realms with regard to
the use of the terms ormus and/or "ormus-like" has been -- for reasons
that you will see listed and explained below -- that of a linguistic
conservative, and thus in each of these realms I have been a late
adaptor of those "ormus" terms, i.e., a linguistic community
Johnny-come-lately, and in most of those fields, I have used the terms
only with reluctance, preferring -- again, for reasons which you will
see enumerated below -- at most to employ the more relaxed phrase
"ormus-like effects".
A
Look at an Issue Regarding Terminology There
is a
fascinating issue -- which I will discuss at greater length below --
that I encounter frequently due to my public involvement with
many
forms of "non-traditional" or "non-classical" (i.e., not produced by
the fire / distillation / acid/base / oxidizer methods of inorganic
chemistry)
ormus effects, or, as I often prefer to call them, "ormus like-effects"
or "subtle energy effects", much along the lines of those realms which
I have listed above.
The Emerging Controversy of Narrow versus Broad Use
of Terms Such as "Ormus" Should
terms such as "ormus" and related terms be reserved only to describe
ormus produced by classical methods borrowed from inorganic chemistry
such as fire, distillation, acid/base reactions and strong oxidizers?
I
have
been aware of the controversy in some small sectors of the
ormus
world regarding definition of ormus -- and the related issue of what
qualifies as an ormus substance and what does not -- for a long while.
Hardly a day goes
by when I do not receive an angry email or phone call from a
self-described "ormus researcher" or "ormus expert" trying to loudly
challenge me or shout me down over their perception that I (or other
persons in the ormus field) seem to have labeled one or more of the
above technologies as having ormus or ormus-like subtle energy effects,
a "fact" which they wish to loudly (and quite often incoherently)
dispute. Indeed, a good number of these folks also include in their
tirades a blanket condemnation of most "ormus" technologies employing
magnets as well, including particularly magnetic trap devices and the
ubiquitous blenders with magnets mounted around the circumference of
the blender body, asserting that the water (or other liquids) produced
by these devices is not a "real ormus product". In
fact, a few of these distressed souls (I call them Internet trolls)
try to spam my related email list groups with pissy and rather
incoherent emails trying to make the same point; these email
submissions almost never make it to the list group, as the moderators
reject them as being inappropriate (i.e., hostile, incoherent or
troll-like, or all three...). It always turns out that these people
would prefer to believe that the only true ormus products are those
produced by the classical inorganic chemistry methods of fire,
distillation, acid/base or oxidizer reactions with sea salt or rock
dusts. Strangely, it always seems that the vast majority of
these
complainers are located in the state of Virginia in the USA or in
France, or are Westerners living in Japan (or at least so the latter
group claim...), and it turns out that at least 99% of these people do
not have any significant credentials as practicing alchemists nor as
trained scientists, and rather, I learn that they are "armchair" ormus
philosophers, that is, they are NOT engaged in any real R&D
work of
their own in the ormus area, and rather, are casual observers. In fact,
some of these people are so rabid, so incoherent and so annoying that I
have prudently chosen to put them on my spam list so that I
never see their latest vitriolic emails; likewise, I refuse to
speak with them on the phone when they call unless they have prepaid
the appropriate fee for my consulting time. A Note
Regarding My Short List of Most-Powerful Ormus-type Technologies
Incidentally,
while on the topic of non-traditional or non-classical ormus
technologies, I find it fascinating that when I compile a short list of
all the ormus technologies which I personally find most powerful and
effective in terms of both subtle consciousness effects and in terms of
physical healing or age-reversal effects, almost all of the
technologies/products on my list are drawn from the "non-traditional'
list which I have shared above, and NOT from the realms of classical
inorganic chemistry ormus technology. I am aware that many of the ormus
technologies on Barry Carter's own short list of most effective and
powerful ormus technologies/products are also drawn from the
"non-traditional" list as well. Much the same is true of several
veteran researchers in the ormus field whom I know.
My Response to the More Sincere Inquirers
Regarding this Matter of Linguistics My
response to the more sane and coherent people -- often they are
"old-school" researchers from what I call the classical "inorganic
chemistry" realm of alchemy -- who approach me regarding with questions
regarding this topic is
largely as follows:
First,
I remind them that even conservative "old-school" inorganic-chemistry
ormus researchers and authors and lecturers, including David Hudson and
many of the early inorganic chemistry ormus workers, have always stated
freely that that they believed that ormus forms of elements are
extremely prevalent in nature, both in inorganic forms in rock, sand,
soil and seawater, and in organic forms in soil, seawater and in many
plant foods including carrots and grape juice. Next, many researchers
in the ormus field, and in related fields such as the realms cold
transmutation, have stated freely that they felt that some beneficial
microbes are able to convert ormus from inorganic forms to organic and
more bioavailable forms, and also that some beneficial microbes are
able to convert metallic or ionic forms of elements into
organic
ormus forms.
And now, before moving on, here are one or two more thoughts
to ponder regarding current definitions of the term "ormus":
When I take a look at the Definitions
page on Barry Carter's ormus website, I
find the following definition:
"ORME, ormus and m-state all are
generic terms which apply to any normally metallic elements in a
spectroscopically "invisible" non-metallic form. These terms apply
regardless of which method was used to obtain them or the relative
effectiveness of the element."
And,
even more recently, the latest definitions (based upon conversations in
May 2007 with Barry Carter and some other insiders in the ormus world)
emerging from the core of the ormus
research world of the term "ormus" (and "m-state" as well)
seem to be even broader, and tend to define ormus as:
"...substances or subtle energies which
function as a bridge between the worlds of spirit and
matter".
You may
wish to bear these two definitions in mind as we proceed with our
exploration... I
often respond to "classicist" inquirers that I too, until very
recently, was very conservative for many years about
using the term "ormus" (along with the related terms such as "ormes",
"m-state" and "monoatomic") for substances/effects in the realms listed
above (that is, non-traditional ormus effect categories), and instead,
until rather recently, preferred to simply employ
terms such as "subtle energy effects" or, at most, "ormus-like
effects". This linguistic conservatism was due to several factors, as
follows: - first,
I felt that the terms "ormus", "ormes" and "m-state" had their roots
almost exclusively in the genre of work popularized by David Hudson and
his immediate followers in the early and mid 1990s; the focus of this
work was exclusively what I tend to call the methods of "inorganic
chemistry", using fire, distillation, acids, bases and/or strong
oxidizers to try to produce what I call "inorganic forms" of ormus,
usually from sea salt, clays or rock dusts. Thus, to me, the origins of
the term lie in the realm of what I call "inorganic chemistry" forms of
ormus, and I was content to allow the term to retain its original and
rather narrow connotations.
- personally,
with one minor brief exception back in
1988
(when, guided by Holy Spirit, I produced a weird precipitate-type
nutritional supplement in my lab from Azomite rock dust using HCL and
commercial plain ammonia liquid procured from a grocery store shelf),
and as I have disclosed many times in the past, I have always been
strongly guided by Holy Spirit to avoid the inorganic chemistry forms
of ormus, and instead to focus on the ormus-like subtle energy effects
from other technologies and phenomena; a pretty comprehensive list of
those "non-organic chemistry" subtle energy technologies which I have
explored over the years appears above.
- next, I have always been rather allergic to much of
the
writings of, by and about Hudson, as I felt (and still do) that he made
a number of fundamental mis-assumptions and mis-statements across the
years, many of which have unfortunately been taken as gospel by many
latter-day popularizers of "inorganic chemistry" ormus. This gave me
one more reason to be somewhat shy about using terms such as "ormus".
- I feel, based upon guidance from
Holy Spirit and also
from
tales I have heard from many of the early experimenters (many of whom I
got to know from my early days in the 1990s on the old White Gold list
group at zz.com), in the world of "inorganic chemistry" forms of ormus,
that the inorganic forms of ormus, while probably the easiest to detect
(at least to some extent) via classical inorganic chemistry tests such
as fire assay or similar methods, often seem to have the harshest and
most unpredictable effects upon humans if and when ingested as a
nutritional supplement; witness the experiences of David Hudson's first
human guinea pig; this tale is hardly unique and I have heard many more
like this one. This history has given me one more reason to be cautious
about using terms such as "ormus" and "m-state".
- I have, in the years since 1995, seen a
tremendous
amount of
hype and malarkey bandied about on the Internet regarding what I call
the "inorganic chemistry" forms of ormus, particularly when it has come
to marketing of ormus products for human use by some vendors. In fact,
as has been recounted on my websites and on some of my ormus-related
list groups, I was the key figure involved in the debunking of some
blatantly fraudulent claims (including faked lab test reports showing
quantities of ormus elements present) made for an ormus product in the
late 1990s); in fact, the PhD biochemist (the CEO of a small
nutraceutical company and the man who had initially helped to fabricate
the faked lab results) who helped me to expose the fraud was shot to
death in his driveway a mob-style execution a month after I published
the expose on the web. These experiences have left, at times, a bit of
a bad taste in my mouth associated with ormus-related terms, and thus
this is one more reason why I have often been very reluctant to apply
the term "ormus" to many chi (aka qi)-related subtle energy phenomena.
- next, and this is indeed related to
some points which
I made
earlier about David Hudson and the work of many of his successors in
the realm of "inorganic chemistry" ormus, I feel that the terms "white
gold" and "ormus gold" (and related terms, such as "m-state gold") have
been grossly and consistently mis-used, misappropriated and
misunderstood in the classical "inorganic chemistry" ormus field --
particularly by many marketers of ormus products -- and that there is a
whole body of mis-assumptions here regarding "ormus gold" which traces
back to some of the earliest writings and lectures of David Hudson.
- lastly, I feel, as I have stated
many times before in
many
venues, that subtle energy, also known by names such as prana, chi, ki,
qi, orgone, etheric energy and aetheric energy, exists in a great
number of degrees of emergence, or coarseness, ranging from the very
subtle to the very coarse, where the very subtle or fine forms are
those which are largely-etheric and where the less subtle or very
coarse forms are those which are much more emergent into the physical
realm. In fact, when I was in my acupuncture graduate program, most of
my professors reported that the ancient Chinese acupuncturists felt
that there were at least 99 levels or gradations of chi (aka qi.) I
personally feel, based upon my own experience and also upon guidance
from Spirit, that, for practical purposes from a human viewpoint, there
are at least 300 gradations of chi or subtle energy. I further believe
that while the most "fine" or subtle levels literally exhibit no
material manifestation at all, many of the less-subtle levels involve
manifestation of various elements in varying degrees of "emergence" or
"manifestation". Thus, I believe that as a given element becomes more
"manifest" at the subtle energy levels, it will exhibit rather
different properties depending upon the degree of "fineness" or
"coarseness" of its subtle energy level. In fact, I have noticed
recently that Danae Harding of Ancient Technologies has vocalized much
the same observation in some of her lectures. To me, the vast majority
of the ormus products created by the means employed in classical
inorganic chemistry (i.e., fire, distillation, acid/base reactions,
strong oxidizers, etc.) are ormus forms which are manifested at rather
coarse or "hard" levels of subtle energy, while the ormus and
ormus-like forms of elements produced or yielded by the
"non-traditional" means which I listed earlier are usually finer or
more subtle forms of the same elements. I have, until the last few
years, been very reluctant to adopt terms such as "ormus" and "m-state"
or even "ormus-like" for these more subtle forms of
elements/manifestation, for fear of accidentally confusing listeners or
readers by inadvertently implying that these more subtle forms of
elements/manifestation are identical to the more coarse forms of ormus
materials often encountered using classical inorganic chemistry
methods.
- further, on a
note closely related to that above, it
seems
to me to be very much true that the "coarse" forms of ormus are often
MUCH easier to detect using classical tools of inorganic chemistry such
as high-temperature burns, while it is also true that the more subtle
(aka "finer") forms of many elements may be far less detectable via
such means (indeed, some of the very etheric forms appear to barely
show up even using UV-VIS spectrophotometry or using IR/FIR
spectrophotometry or Raman or Broullion spectroscopy, and may only be
detected via very sensitive measures of surface tension or pH/redox
potential), and for a long time, I had preferred to reserve terms such
as "ormus" and "m-state" only for the more coarse manifestations of
ormus. However, in the interim, as they say in the pop culture,
"reality happened" and many of the core members of the inner circle of
the ormus linguistic community went ahead and adopted the use of
ormus-related terminologies for the "non-traditional"
phenomena/technologies which I have listed at the top of this page. And
so, I eventually decided to go with the flow and to at least start
referencing such subtle energy effects as "ormus-like effects",
although you will notice that I often take great pains on my websites
and in my list groups to differentiate these technologies from
classical inorganic chemistry ormus technologies.
Some Closing
Notes I
think that we are all agreed that there will always be classical
"inorganic chemistry" linguistic ultra-conservatives who feel that all
these various forms of subtle energy phenomena should not be lumped
together under the terms "ormus" and "m-state". And my feeling is
simply one of "God bless them, too!" Because this
issue emerged so
persistently and so repeatedly as we approached mid-2007, I
was
asked by Holy Spirit in late 2007 to create this website to offer to
all comers to this controversy -- both newcomers and old-timers -- a
balanced and sane perspective on the matter for all time. The purpose
of this website is not
only give an overview of history and the issues surrounding
this
linguistic controversy much as I have done here, but also to serve as
an informational resource regarding many of the "non-traditional"
ormus-like subtle energy technologies which I listed at the beginning
of
this document. Among other things, I chose to migrate my
ormuswater/MEOW website from its earlier location (in a directory
located at my www.coherentspace.info
website) to a folder on this ormus-like technology dedicated website
(the MEOW website, if you have not yet found it in the links bar, is
located at ormuswater.vpinf.com/
.) Addendum:
An
Interesting Dialogue on the Topic of Definition I
have a dialogue to offer to you which may help to shed even further
light on the matter of definition... In late May 2007, around the same
time that I had created this website, Barry Carter had forwarded a link
to this page to many of his ormus list groups as one more resource in
understanding the ever-evolving definition of the term "ormus". In
short
order, one of the more "old-school" inorganic-chemistry type ormus
researchers (he produces a number of fine products in his lab) wrote to
Barry (with a cc to me) in response as follows (names have been changed
to protect innocent ormus researchers): Barry,
Vinny's page disclaimer on Ormus is excellent. His use of the term
"Ormus-like effects" to cover
various forms of subtle-energy behaviors from a variety of substances
addresses the issue of definition.
He
also puts the blame for the confusion squarely on the shoulders of both
you and the early ORMUS
researchers: "A wide range of people in the ormus world seem to have
been
freely using the term "ormus" and "m-state" to reference many of these
effects
since at least the late 1990s."
From
here on out,
I will no longer use the terms ORMock, ORMair, ORMwater, ORM(anything).
I feel
that the terms white-gold, white form of the Precious Elements, or
whites
better reflect the substances that I am extracting.
Since many of the
forum members might actually read all the way through Vinny's page, I
would
like to make clear that the products I make although initially
extracted
using inorganic chemistry are formulated as organo-complexes
for human consumption.
Also,
since Vinny
is listing his degrees, I have B.Sc. degrees in Organic Chemistry,
Ecology,
Limnology, Masters equivalent in Statistics, Masters thesis in
Comparative
Religion, PhD candidate in Transpersonal Psychology and
Parapsychology.
Thanks
for the
link to Vinny's page. --Sam
Since
Sam had been kind enough to cc me on his reply, I decided to write back
to him, with a cc to Barry Carter, and share my thoughts on the topic;
here is my reply, sent on May 30, 2007: Dear
Sam:
[Sam and Barry: you have my permission to forward this response to any
list groups as you see fit, with the exception of the
Alt-cute-jenny-donkeys-bondage list group, where I am banned! :-)]
Thank you very much for the cc on your post to the WG list
group. I
would not otherwise have seen it, as I tend to avoid most ormus list
groups for a number of reasons, all of them personal and idiosyncratic,
and my personal reasons do not constitute a condemnation nor indictment
of those ormus list groups!
I have just one quick response to your comments below, and, rather than
insert it interlined below, I will simply reproduce the relevant
paragraph from your post here, wherein you wrote to Barry:
~~~~~~~~~~
"He also puts the blame for the confusion squarely on the shoulders of
both you and the early ORMUS researchers: "A wide range of people in
the ormus world seem to have been freely using the term "ormus" and
"m-state" to reference many of these effects since at least the late
1990s.""
~~~~~~~~~
Well, I suspect, as you are likely well aware, that your own personal
biases may have kinda crept in here when you wrote "He puts the blame
for the confusion on both you and the early ORMUS researchers..."
First, I was assigning no blame. And, as for "confusion", well, some
degree of confusion is normal and natural when a term is not strictly
defined by an authority and when rather it is evolving naturally! What
I was doing on that page was making somewhat of an attempt to provide a
chronological history of how many of these non-traditional or
"non-inorganic chemistry" technologies came to be subsumed under the
rubric of "ormus". Next, as you know, since the ormus field is not a
controlled field, i.e., it is neither a part of the National Academy of
Sciences nor other standards-setting institutions which tend to
formalize definitions in some areas of the sciences, nor does the ormus
field, given that it is very young and still kinda in its Dark Ages, to
paraphrase Antoine Dubuc, have its own formal governing body or bodies
which are the equivalents of the National Academy of Sciences and its
sister institutions, nor do we have a published and standardized book
such as Dictionary and Encyclopedia of Terms of Ormus, and thus there
is no formal definition of ormus. Rather, ormus and the related terms
have been subject to the normal organic rules describing behaviors of
linguistic communities, whether they be high school cliques, the
regular crowd at the neighborhood pub or the insiders in the field of
conventional hot fusion physics, and thus the term (and its sister
terms) have thus organically evolved over the years, largely defined
and redefined the inner core of intimate (inner circle) members of the
ormus linguistic community.
And, yes, Barry Carter, along with some of the old-school inorganic
chem traditionalists who populated the old WG list group of the 1990s,
is obviously a member of the inner core circle of the ormus linguistic
community. That hardly means that he or the other core members are to
"blame" for the evolution of the definition of the term, and rather,
any linguist, anthropologist or sociologist would reassure us that
such informal and organic evolution of the term is natural and normal,
and common to any community. Of course, if one disapproves of the
general direction being taken by the core or inner circles of the ormus
linguistic community, and particularly if one disapproves of the latest
definition of the term "ormus", then yes, one might be quite tempted to
use the term "blame" in this context.
For me, personally speaking, I am not here on this Earth to try to
redefine the current and extant meaning of "ormus" within the core
ormus community, which definition -- as I iterated on my website --
seems to currently be something along the lines of:
"ormus -- elemental substances or subtle energies (or both) which
function as a bridge between the worlds of spirit and matter."
Quite obviously, I did not develop nor invent that consensus
definition, and I had little or no part in its evolution, since, for my
own personal and idiosyncratic and cranky and curmudgeonly reasons, I
largely avoid stepping into the "mainstream" circles of the ormus
community and have done so for a great many years. Likewise, much as
you have noted from reading my website, I am a bit conservative
linguistically, in addition to being cranky and curmudgeonly (and aside
from sleeping with jenny donkeys), and thus, despite the fact that the
vast majority of persons in the ormus community would nowadays label
each of the "non-traditional" technologies which I listed as "ormus" or
"m-state", I still feel more comfortable referencing the phenomena and
the effects as "ormus-like". However, in doing so, I am not trying to
redefine the term "ormus" for the ormus community, nor am I trying to
set a precedent for others, and rather, I am simply expressing or
displaying my own particular nexus of odd prejudices and biases, as
does any good performance artist, for ultimately, I am most comfortable
most of the time calling most of these non-traditional phenomena by the
name "ormus-like". And yet, I am a realist: I fully recognize and
accept that most other members of the ormus linguistic community would
skip the "-like" part when referencing these same phenomena, and would
instead simply call them by the name "ormus".
with care,
--Vinny
I
hope that my sharing this dialogue may have helped to muddle
the
waters a bit further, I mean, to clear up the issue a bit more! Enjoy!
Vinny
is a multi-disciplinary scientist and engineer with extensive
experience plus undergraduate-level training in electrical engineering
and physics, and with a graduate degree (Master's) in the sciences.
However, he is also, first and foremost, a mystic and a spiritual
healer and spiritual guide/teacher. He lives his life in surrender to
Divinity, and has been given a Divine gift wherein he serves as a
window for Divine love and grace into this world. At the request of
Divinity, Vinny has created a webpage on his spiritual healing website
that gives page visitors a chance to receive, free-of-charge, some of
the flow of Divine love and grace. You are welcome to visit this page
at http://www.divine-heart.org/love-grace.html |
And
Now, a Note on the Elixir
Vitae
And, if you are perhaps interested in something totally beyond ormus
and
ormus-like effects by many orders of magnitude, then you may wish to
visit my website on the alchemical product known as Elixir Vitae,
an
exotic alchemical substance which has been known since antiquity as the
Elixir of Life, Elixir of Immortality,
Philosopher's
Stone of Immortality and the Universal Medicine,
and by a
dozen other names as well.
.
An
Email
List Group of Interest The
Forbidden
Science (VP) group hosted
at Groups.io encompasses and subsumes topics covered by each
of the several relevant legacy list groups that I had operated at
private Yahoo Groups, including Exotic Energies, Ormus-like, Ormus PWT,
Time-Space Doorways, Elixir Vitae, Jenny Cell, Radiation
Hormesis/Radiation Nutrition, and Quantum Quiet (space effect devices)
legacy list groups. Forbidden
Science (VP)
The term "forbidden science" was first coined in the 1980s by Dr.
Jaques Vallee, a PhD computer scientist and strange/fringe science
researcher, to describe those fields of scientific investigation that
the current scientific "establishment" tends to view as quack science,
or as fringe science, and as undesirable topics for "serious"
scientists to research; those fields include the topic of UFOs and
"space aliens", alchemy, ormus nutritionals, the paranormal, overunity
devices, exotic energies (aka prana or chi) beyond the pale of
conventional electromagnetics, and numerous other "fringe science" and
"strange science" realms.
This list group serves as a continuation of the various legacy
forbidden science list groups, listed above, that were operated by
Vinny Pinto for 15+ years until the October 2019 downscaling of Yahoo
Groups. Vinny is a mystic, spiritual teacher/guide, spiritual healer,
and a multi-disciplinary consulting and R&D scientist/engineer.
The primary focus of this list group is to discuss topics in
the realms
of forbidden science, aka strange science, aka fringe science,
including UFOs and "space aliens", alchemy, ormus nutritionals, the
paranormal, overunity devices, exotic energies (aka prana or chi)
beyond the pale of conventional electromagnetics, and numerous other
"fringe science" and "strange science" realms.
While the name and description of this list group are publicly listed
at Groups.io and on search engines, all posts sent to the list group
are private and are viewable by list group members only. This is a
moderated list group. Further, all applicants wishing to join the list
group must state their reasons for wishing to join along with their
name and general location, and all posts sent to the list group must be
signed with the poster's first and last name in order to be published.
We do not tolerate hate posts, and we do not tolerate trolls, nor troll
posts. How
to Join
If you are interested in joining
this
list group, you may do so by visiting the list group home page and
clicking "Join" at: Or you may send an email to: Please note that the
list group, as is true of all of my email list groups, are
restricted-membership list groups, and thus, once you have applied to
join, you will then shortly receive an email from the Groups.io
mailserver, entitled something along the lines of "Your Pending
Membership in….", which will ask you for certain
information; you will need to send the requested information (including
your first and last name) back to the list group moderators by replying
to the message if you wish your application for membership to be
approved.
Enjoy! |
. Some Background
I
am a degreed
scientist, with a graduate degree (a Master's degree) in the
health-related sciences, and a mystic. If you wish to learn more about
my background
and about my involvement with ormus-like substances and their use as
nutritional supplements, please see the Background-Ormus
& Me page
on
this site; it also offers links to further off-site information on my
background and my scientific R&D and consulting work.
Some
Thoughts
From a
Mystic and Intuitive on the Perceived Dangers of the CERN LHC
Due to his having received a number of requests
asking for his insights
as a deep intuitive on the claims that operation of the CERN
Linear Hadron Collider (LHC) could lead to the destruction of the earth
or of the entire universe, Vinny has written a very short article
offering his view as an intuitive on this matter. To see the article,
please visit the page, entitled Some
Thoughts from a Mystic and Intuitive on the Perceived Dangers of the
CERN LHC Collider Project. |
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