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A Report on a Laboratory Analysis and Other Assays of
Spent Electrolyte Liquid (aka "Cell Juice") from the
Ancient Tek Aetheric Energy Charging Device

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This article discusses an exotic etheric energy technology employed by Ancient Tek to "charge" some of their ormus-rich and etheric energy-charged nutritional supplement products and skin care products. For more information on their products or for information on ordering their products, please see their Ancient Technologies (aka Ancient Tek) website.

Overview of the Intent of This Article
In this article I will be reporting upon results of some physical tests which I conducted in between early October late November 2007 upon used "spent" electrolyte liquid -- which Danae calls "spent cell juice" -- which had sat in a bottle in storage for 1.5 years since it was extracted from the Joe cell-like "aetheric energy battery" (or accumulator/translator) which is a component within Danae Harding's (Ancient Technologies, aka Ancient Tek) esoteric aetheric energy charging device used to charge her "sparky water" product; the water is charged via a corona-like discharge emitted from the final stage of the device. The tests on the spent liquid yielded some anomalous results which are quite significant, notable and strange. Before discussing the spent electrolyte liquid and my observations of it, you may wish to peruse a brief overview of the esoteric device technology that Danae Harding calls an "Aetheric Energy Charging Device" along with some of its history. I have posted that information to a webpage on this site entitled Some Background and History on the Ancient Tek Aetheric Energy Charging Device Technology.

Prefatory Notes
Please note that any errors or accidental misrepresentations in the stories told on this page or the related History and Background page are entirely my own, and are not the fault of any of my sources for the history of the technology or the details of the device in question.

Typical Free-Energy Application Joe Cell versus Modified Joe Cell-Like Aetheric Energy Cell
I have noticed that some sources on the Internet have been citing this article, since its publication on the web in early October 2007, as a somewhat definitive assay of typical used electrolyte liquid (aka spent cell juice) from a Joe Cell, i.e., the type of Joe Cell commonly employed by free energy researchers for the intent of yielding greater power and improved gasoline mileage from automobile and truck engines. This assumption is not entirely accurate, and it seems important to me to note here the differences between the spent cell juice discussed in this article as compared to spent cell juice from a "typical" Joe Cell installation employed in free energy research.

The used electrolyte liquid discussed in this article was never employed in a traditional "Joe Cell" design and configuration commonly employed in free energy research, and rather, the spent cell juice liquid (and its history) discussed here differ in the following ways from the "water" commonly employed in traditional Joe Cells:
  • the spent cell juice was initially prepared or formulated by mixing two alkaline high-ormus powdered products (a specially-prepared powdered exotic high-ormus soft alkaline ore and a specially-prepared high-ormus alkaline wood ash), both in finely-powdered form, with water from a natural ground source. In contrast, the electrolyte liquid commonly employed in Joe Cells, uses water from natural ground sources (i.e., from springs, etc.) or water from natural ground sources which has been doped with acetic acid, vinegar or an alkaline chemical salt such as potassium hydroxide (KOH).
  • whereas many conventional Joe Cells employed in free energy applications employ an acid electrolyte liquid or a neutral-pH electrolyte liquid, the cell juice created by Ancient Tek measures a moderately strong alkaline pH in the range of 9.0 to 10.9 throughout its lifetime, from the time it is formulated to the time it is removed from the energy battery as spent cell juice. This alkaline pH has been verified with electronic measures employing pH probes and with colorimetric chemistry-based pH test strips.
  • the spent cell juice, after formulation, was conditioned, cleaned and charged in a Joe Cell (consisting of multiple concentric stainless steel tubes arrayed coaxially) inside pressurized and heated chamber using fairly high voltage and current, both AC and DC, for several days. 
  • after conditioning, cleaning and charging of the cell juice, it was then employed as the liquid electrolyte in an aetheric energy battery, which is a rectangular battery which consists of 36 flat rectangular plates of brass arrayed in six bundles of six plates apiece. In other words, the liquid electrolyte was not employed in a typical Joe Cell consisting of coaxial concentric stainless steel tubes, but rather was installed in an aetheric energy battery consisting of multiple rectangular brass plates.
  • the liquid was employed in the aetheric energy battery -- which, as noted elsewhere on this page, is a component in a device known as an aetheric energy charging device -- for a period ranging from one month to four months, and was  removed (to be stored as spent cell juice when the liquid electrolyte seemed to lose its "etheric energy charge", that is, when the battery failed to exhibit the characteristic signs which indicated that it was functioning as an etheric energy transducer.

Background and History on the Ancient Tek Aetheric Energy Charging Device
For relevant and informative background and history on the Ancient Tek aetheric energy charging technology, please see the webpage on this site entitled Some Background and History on the Ancient Tek Aetheric Energy Charging Device Technology.

As stated in greater detail on the Background and History page article, the current passes through the modified Joe Cell, which Danae describes as a "battery" (Danae has stated that it can also be viewed as an etheric energy accumulator or translator). This modified Joe Cell "battery", which is built into the outer casing of a discarded motorcycle battery, employs an exotic golden-yellow alkaline translucent liquid as an electrolyte; it is the used or spent electrolyte from this cell that I will be discussing in this report. 

Let's move on to taking a look at my findings when I recently examined the spent liquid in my laboratory, located in the Appalachian Mountains of eastern U.S.

A Laboratory Examination of the Spent Battery Electrolyte Liquid
Background and Overview
Much as I have mentioned already on some of my list groups, Danae sent me a sample of some of the spent electrolyte liquid from the modified Joe Cell battery in her device back in April 2007. At that time, the liquid was about a year and a half old, that is, it had sat in a jar in her basement in storage for about a year and a half after having been removed from the cell as spent electrolyte. Danae decanted some of the liquid into a one pint (16 ounces, about 0.9 liter) thin-wall PET bottle, sealed it, and sent it to me. I received the sample from Danae in mid-April 2007 and upon receiving it, I placed the bottle in a dark cabinet for temporary storage until I could get around to testing it in my lab. As soon as I saw the golden-yellow liquid, I had an intuitive flash that it was likely very high not only in ormus-like forms of minerals, but also that it was likely high in extremely low molecular weight (ELMW) hydrogen-based antioxidants, and that concomitantly it would likely exhibit an ORP in the negative range. However, I was rather busy at that time with some projects, and thus, for the nonce, the bottle went on the shelf. Finally, in mid-October 2007, I had a bit of free time, and I was nudged by Holy Spirit to sit down with the bottle of spent cell water in my lab and analyze the contents. In the following section I will report what I found. At this point, my investigation has only been a preliminary one, and it is quite obvious that my findings, particularly the anomalous findings, while interesting and downright intriguing, merely point the way to possible future research which may be able to answer the questions which arise due to the early findings.

A Few Preliminaries Regarding Properties and Expected Properties
It may be best to note here that Danae has advised me that she feels that the spent cell water -- unlike the sparky water produced by the device -- does not exhibit significant subtle energy/exotic energy properties, and that it does not exhibit significant healing properties. However, I have also received reports that some persons suffering from psoriasis, eczema or skin rashes who have applied the liquid to their skin have experienced marked and fairly long-term relief from irritation in the areas which had been wetted.

It is also worth noting that a number of psychics and intuitives who have handled the spent cell juice have declared that it seems to contain a very primitive (and pre-human) life energy with a consciousness of its own, and that it feels like an "animalistic" energy.

Based upon my knowledge of the mineral and mineral ash ingredients used to brew the electrolyte liquid, I assumed that the liquid might contain high levels of ormus forms of elements, and my intuitive sense, upon examining the liquid, appeared to confirm that. Indeed, as you will see from the measures of EC and TDS below, the measurements confirm this sense.

Danae has mentioned to me that when she has previously sent samples of the sparky water produced by the device to commercial testing labs, they reported to her that the results were somewhat anomalous, and that the water in many ways seemed to be more like heavy water (that is, water where deuterium is present in the place of hydrogen) than normal water. However, she was not able to elucidate upon these reports. I mention this fact about the sparky water here because there may possibly be some parallels to the spent cell water as well; Danae has normally never sent the spent cell water to anyone other than myself for testing, and thus, she has far less feedback available from outside sources about the spent cell water than about the sparky water. In any case, I felt it was worthwhile to mention the "heavy water" comments made by the commercial labs about the sparky water, because, as will be noted in the relevant sections below, some of the scores yielded by my tests of the spent cell juice could indeed be at least partly explained if the liquid consisted of heavy water instead of normal water as its aqueous base. I am not claiming that this may be the case; I am merely posing the possibility for speculation.

In the subsections below, I will report upon results of my tests, along with any relevant notes about testing conditions and with commentary on whether the results noted were within the expected range and therefore unremarkable, or whether the results were notable or even anomalous in some way. Some of the sections below will be very brief, while others -- particularly where disclosure of relevant background or comparison information may be needed -- may be lengthy.

Appearance -- golden yellow translucent liquid; it looks like golden-colored water upon examination, somewhat akin to the appearance of a golden-yellow colored urine sample. 

Smell -- 
very mild with a small hint of a mildly acrid odor.

Taste --
moderately strong acrid taste, largely distasteful and slightly harsh, with mild sensation of burning of tongue and throat when swished upon tongue and swallowed (kids, do not try this at home!)

Feel upon skin  when handled -- slippery and soapy, almost oily feel, there is a sensation that the liquid is considerably thicker and "heavier" than water, and more viscous.

Weight of liquid compared to equal volume of pure water -- The weight/mass was just slightly higher than that of an equal volume of water, and this measure reflected the expected small increase in mass of the spent cell juice due to the presence of dissolved minerals in solution (and perhaps in colloidal form as well.) Thus, the result was entirely normal and as expected, with no remarkable results. This may sound like an odd measure to choose to perform, but, given the plethora of reports claiming that water samples containing high levels of ormus elements have often registered masses anomalously low or anomalously high when compared to pure water, I felt that it would be a good idea to perform this test "up front" to settle any questions regarding the mass of this liquid.

pH -- 10.0 moderately-buffered pH. This falls in the range of expected values, given the prior assertions by the inventor/builder that the liquid was alkaline and given the mineral sources employed in doping the water base during creation of the liquid. The pH value was sufficiently buffered by ionic reserves present in the liquid that I experienced very mild burning of my tongue when a small amount of liquid was placed upon the tongue; had the liquid been only lightly-buffered, the alkaline pH would have been instantly neutralized by saliva. This alkaline pH has been verified with electronic measures employing pH probes and with colorimetric chemistry-based pH test strips; the followup measures with colorimetric pH test strips were employed to verify initial readings obtained from electronic instrumentation because of widespread beliefs in the Joe Cell free energy field that the etheric "charge" of charged electrolyte liquid will unduly influence electronic pH measures, thus resulting in an incorrect reading (it is believed by many that the incorrect reading will usually be one which reads too high.)

ORP --  -230 mv. (i.e., minus 230 mv.) This score falls in a range of moderately strong chemical reducing activity, aka antioxidant activity. This reading indicates to me the presence of extremely low molecular weight hydrogen-based antioxidant species. This score, coupled with the RH score, disclosed in the section below, which falls in the reducing (aka antioxidative) range, is highly unusual and can be considered to be anomalous and also highly notable, due to the fact that the spent cell juice under test had been stored in bottles on a shelf for two years since its removal from the cell in the etheric charging device. While consumer kitchen countertop water ionizers are able to produce water from their "alkaline water" spigots that exhibits an ORP in the range of -150 mv. to -200 mv., the negative ORP value (which is reflective of antioxidant properties exhibited by the water) is only very short-lived, and normally decays or regresses to the +100 mv and eventually the +200 mv and +300 mv range over a period of days after the water has been produced; in other words, the "alkaline ionized water" produced by these devices is unstable and must be consumed quickly to take advantage of its nutritional antioxidant value. In much the same vein, you can dissolve the contents of a capsule of MegaH (aka MegaH- or MegaHydrate) nutritional supplement in a mug full of water, and upon stirring it in, you will discover that the ORP of the water has been reduced to the range of -435 to -660 mv. However, within hours the ORP begins to rise as the simple hydrogen species are dissipated or destroyed via recombination, and within days the ORP will have risen back up to the positive region, and eventually, in short order, to the region of 200 to 350 mv.

In fact, one of the challenges currently facing the extremely low molecular weight (ELMW) nutritional antioxidant world is that no one has yet found a way, using manmade technologies, to stabilize ORP of potable nutritional liquids in the negative ORP region for any significant length of time. It is true that such stabilization of negative ORP values may be achieved in the lab, but only using harsh and very toxic chemicals, and thus such "stabilized" liquid products could not be offered as marketable antioxidant nutritional supplements. In fact, because I am a researcher in the fields of low-molecular weight antioxidants, I am very well aware that several of the Japanese manufacturers of water ionizers, recognizing the tremendous profit to be made if they can find a way to stabilize the antioxidant activity and the concomitant negative ORP of such "hydrogen antioxidant rich water" (aka "hydrogen water") for periods on the order of months or years -- because this would allow them to market bottled "ionized antioxidant hydrogen water" commercially -- have spent millions of dollars on university research projects in an attempt to come up with ways to safely stabilize the ORP of such water in the negative region. We know that Mother Nature is able to do it to some extent via natural geological and biochemical processes, as there are some waters from natural healing springs and from (very rare) deep wells which exhibit an ORP in the range of -180 to -300 mv. which will preserve their negative ORP for periods on the order of months or even a year or two when bottled. In fact, there is a company called Trinity Springs which, at least until recently (more on this in a bit), was collecting, bottling and marketing water from a spring whose source was 2.2 miles deep in the Trinity Mountains of Idaho. The water, as collected at the source, had an ORP of perhaps -300 mv., and even after filtering, it still exhibited an ORP of perhaps -200 mv, and it was not uncommon to be able to purchase a PET bottle of their water from a natural foods store and, upon testing it, discover that it still had an ORP in the -50 to -90 mv. range. Unfortunately, it appears that Trinity water is no longer available on the market; it seems that they lost access to the spring which they had been using due to contested ownership and that the matter is now in the courts. In a similar vein of tales regarding nature's ability to stabilize negative ORP of water, Dr. Patrick Flanagan has told a story of how a friend many years ago collected a sample of glacial runoff water from high in the Hunza Mountains in Pakistan, bottled it in a glass bottle, sealed the bottle, and brought it back to him as gift toward his research. He stored the water for a couple of years in a sealed glass container in a cool dark place, and finally got around to taking out a sample of the water for testing purposes. Upon testing, he discovered that it still exhibited an ORP below -200 mv. However, although Mother Nature has, in very rare cases -- as recounted above -- been able to accomplish this stabilization of  negative ORP and the related antioxidant activity, no one has yet been able to come up with a way to do this using technology.

In light of what I have disclosed in the two paragraphs above, it becomes very significant that the spent cell juice from Danae's aetheric energy device, which is essentially a liquid which was produced by human effort, albeit using minerals from a natural source, is able to exhibit such a low ORP and then to retain it for a period of, in the current case, at least two years while stored in a bottle (in fact, for the past 6 months, the liquid has been stored in a thin-walled transparent PET plastic bottle...)

If you are not at all sure what ORP is or what it means in terms of oxidative and antioxidant (aka "chemical reducing") activity, you may wish to take a look at the endnote section appearing immediately below.
notes on ORP: For more information on ORP and the ORP scale related to antioxidant activity, and also on the related relative hydrogen (RH) score and its scale, please see the informational page on ORP at my website, and also the informational page on RH score at the same site. 

RH score, aka RH2 score -- 19.0 (any score below 28 is considered chemically reducing, aka antioxidative.) The relative hydrogen (RH2) score is often employed as a measure of oxidative/antioxidant activity free of bias introduced by pH.

Brix (optical measurement) -- 2.04%. This measurement was made using an optical Brixmeter. The recorded score is a very low value, quite a bit lower than the value seen for seawater, and much lower than expected in light of the electronic measures of EC and TDS disclosed below. In fact, due to the anomalously low value obtained, repeat measures were made with calibration test measures (employing calibrated fluids for testing purposes) performed immediately prior to and after the readings, but the tests showed that the optical Brix meter exhibited a high degree of accuracy. It is interesting to note here that Danae reports that two commercial testing labs which examined the "sparky water" reported that some of its properties mimicked those of heavy water; it could be that there is an analogue here to the spent cell water as well. Heavy water happens to have a lower index of refraction than does ordinary water, and thus it will display abnormally low readings on an optical measuring device such as a Brix meter.

SG (optical measurement) -- ~1.008 specific gravity (SG). This measurement, as with the Brix measure above, was made using an optical Brixmeter. See notes in the Brix section above regarding calibration and testing of the optical meter for validation of the reading. Please also see the notes regarding heavy water in the same section.

EC (via electronic probe) -- 8.67 mS/cm. This value falls within the expected range of observations, given what was already known about the high ionic mineral content of the liquid, as does the computed TDS value disclosed immediately below. However, this value and the TDS value do not correlate at all with the abnormally low optically-measured Brix score reported above, nor with the abnormally low optically-measured SG reported above. For many reasons, it is reasonable to conclude that the EC and TDS readings are relatively accurate, but that the above-reported anomalously low optical Brix and SG scores are due to some as-yet unexplained properties exhibited by the cell juice sample under test.

TDS (via electronic probe) --  ~8,400 ppm. This value is as expected and is entirely normal and unremarkable. It is somewhat important for the casual reader to understand that TDS readings are approximate and relative -- they are always based upon conversion from EC measures (measured in mS/cm) to TDS PPM via calculations (often performed by software inside the measuring/display device) based upon an algorithm, and the computed TDS ppm will vary widely dependent upon assumptions made about ions/electrolytes present in the liquid. For example, the TDS reading above could actually vary from ~6,800 ppm to about ~13,400 ppm dependent upon assumptions chosen regarding the ionic species present in the liquid undergoing measure.

Surface tension (interfacial tension (IT)) --  ~45 dynes/cm; this value is quite low, and is only 62% of the IT of fresh water*, and ~ 60% of the IT of seawater*. The actual measure employed was a type of surface tension known as interfacial tension (IT) measured by using DuNouy ring method. This value is anomalously low. Due to the quantity of minerals known to be dissolved and suspended in the water, and due to corroboration of that fact by the EC and TDS scores (disclosed above), it was expected that the IT would have been close to that of seawater, which is a bit higher than the IT of pure water. Instead, the IT was significantly lower than expected, and this score correlates well with the soft soapy and almost oily feel of the water upon the skin. This anomalously low score for IT surface tension indicates that the water has strong wetting properties and that it may have some surfactant or detergent properties; this might be due to the presence of organic surfactants in the liquid due to the ash ingredient, or it may be due to changes in the hydrogen bonding angle and water clustering properties in the spent cell juice sample.
*note: At about 20 degrees C, pure water has a surface tension of 73.05 dynes/cm whereas the surface tension of seawater is 1 to 2 dynes/cm higher than that of fresh water, or about 74 or 75 dynes/cm.

Dielectric properties --  examining a 2 inch by 3 inch by 3/8"inch thick cross-section of the liquid sample in a quartz cuvette, I noted some bizarre dielectric properties of spontaneous charge generation (i.e., anomalous current flow through a circuit made across the two monitoring electrodes mounted on the outside of the cuvette) which are anomalous even for a conductive ionized electrolyte solution. In other words, the behavior of the liquid was unlike that of most samples of salt water. I cannot say much more other than that this is an anomalous result and may warrant some further investigation.

Ionizing radiation -- The liquid displayed a nominal average ionizing radiation level of (8 uR/hr), or about 36% lower than local ambient background radiation levels in my area (Appalachian Mountains on the East Coast of the USA) of about 12 uR/hr), and about 45% lower than the radiation levels (normally about 15 to 16 uR/hr) noted from typical samples of my local mountain well water and creek water. Stranger, the spent Joe Cell water under test was originally pumped from a well in Colorado and contains wood ash from trees growing in the same region in the Rocky Mountains; ambient radiation levels found in soil, water and vegetation in that area tend -- due to differing geology richer in radioactive elements -- to be significantly higher than the levels seen on the East Coast (where I live and were these tests were performed) and thus I would have expected the level of ionizing radiation from the water to be considerably higher than what I have reported above. This level of observed background radiation from the sample, while somewhat lower than normal local radiation levels, was nonetheless still within the normal range of ambient background radiation observed at the surface of the earth in the USA, albeit at the absolute bottom of the range, and thus this result, while a bit low, was not strongly significant in itself. However, this test result was interesting, and it suggested to me that the liquid might emit a coherent subtle energy field which dampens radioisotope decay processes and reduces concomitant emission of ionizing radiation, and thus I chose to conduct a second and related series of tests, this set regarding possible ionizing radiation quenching properties which may be exhibited by the liquid; that test series, along with results, is reported immediately below this section.

Quenching of Emission of Ionizing Radiation by Nearby Radioactive Materials -- Much as noted above in the section devoted to ionizing radiation testing, the results of those tests suggested to me that there was a possibility that the liquid might emit a coherent subtle energy field which may dampen radioisotope decay processes and thereby reduce concomitant emission of ionizing radiation. The modified Joe Cell used as an etheric energy receiver in the device is, of course, an electrochemical cell, and there have been sporadic reports for many years that some later-generation cold fusion electrochemical cells and related electrochemical cells have exhibited anomalous properties such as emission of vastly-elevated levels of ionizing radiation and/or greatly-reduced levels of ionizing radiation. There have also been reports of such cells having being employed for remediation of highly-radioactive waste. As a result of all these above-listed factors, I chose to conduct this second and related series of tests, wherein I could start to explore possible ionizing radiation quenching properties which may be exhibited by the liquid. The first pass of such testing, accomplished in my laboratory on 10/18/2007, involved affixing a sample of uranium ore three-quarters of an inch from the window of the detector tube of a sensitive digital recording microroentgen radiation monitory. A control baseline was established by taking one-minute counts for ten minutes, accruing ten samples which were averaged to establish a baseline of ionizing radiation levels from the sample. Then, two Pyrex glass beakers containing 140 ml each of the spent cell juice were moved into position so that they were very close to the sample of radioactive ore, but so that they were not blocking or occluding the line-of-sight path between the ore sample and the window of the detector, after which ten more one-minute radiation level counts were recorded and then averaged. Results from this preliminary round of testing indicate a mild but not statistically significant reduction in radiation levels from the sample under the test condition (i.e., placing beakers of the spent cell juice in close proximity to the ore sample.) A number of possible flaws were noted with this first test run, the most prominent of which were the fact that both the control and experimental sessions were run in my laboratory, which is constantly bathed in the fields of eleven coherent space quantum coherence space conditioning devices, each with an effective radius of effect of from 20 feet to 90 feet; it has been noted by a number of commentators that such devices, normally employed for protection from electrosmog, can lead to quenching of radioisotope decay and thus lead to reduced levels of emission of ionizing radiation from background materials and from objects such as samples of radioactive ores. I plan to repeat the tests shortly, but this time running them at an outdoor site located at least 250 feet from the coherent space quantum coherence devices in an effort to eliminate possible confounding of results. I will try to report findings of these test cycles here at a later date.

Magnetometry -- I examined the area near the outer surfaces of the storage bottle containing liquid using a highly sensitive digital magnetometer equipped with a small and highly-maneuverable magnetometer probe. No anomalies were noted and nothing remarkable found. It may be worthwhile noting that this test was performed only because of suggestions by earlier investigators of strong magnetic and electrical anomalies associated with the sparky water produced by the charging device. (In a related note, I have not been able to replicate the reported magnetic anomalies in the vicinity of bottles of sparky water, and instead, any variance in readings of the magnetometer turned out to be due to poor electrostatic and EMF shielding of the magnetometer probe and the cable which connected it to the magnetometer.)

An Intuitive and Clairvoyant Examination of the Spent Cell Juice
Now that we have looked at the findings noted so far using conventional Western laboratory analysis of the used liquid electrolyte, lets take a quick look at what intuitives, psychics, clairsentients and clairvoyants have to say about the liquid when they have a chance to hold it and examine it.

A Brief Report from a Dozen Psychics
First, Danae has reported to me that in early 2007 she offered a bottle containing a sample of the spent cell juice to a dozen older women who were assembled at a friend's home in the Rockies; each of the women was known in their communities to poses psychic or intuitive abilities. Each of the women, after holding the bottle, reported that the liquid seemed to contain a powerful and primitive but friendly "life energy", and some described it as akin to the life energy which would flow in a lion or giraffe or other wild animal, but more "primitive".

A Report from a Clairsentient
In addition to being a degreed scientist with a grad degree in my field, I also possess some intuitive and clairsentient abilities. When I hold the liquid, my sense is that it contains very high levels of "ormus-like" energies, and that it possesses a primitive and friendly consciousness, and that it is thus akin to a very primitive and beneficent life form.

A Report from A Clairsentient and a Psychic/Clairvoyant
In late 2007 we had in our home (and my co-located lab) as our guests two women, one a medical doctor who is also a spiritual healer and clairsentient, and the other an accomplished psychic and clairvoyant, and -- without telling them much about it beforehand -- I asked them to hold a bottle of the spent cell juice and to tell me what they sensed. At the time, they described the liquid as containing a powerful subtle energy and a primitive life force with regenerative powers. In a later follow-up email, one of the two visitors further expanded upon their earlier observations by writing:
"We also got that the spent stuff from Danae's Joe Cell (stuff in the bottle that you let me hold) is a pre-cellular gel...a bit like a slime mold in that it has no cellular divisions unless it needs to sporulate..."

In Closing
We have reached the end of my report. The sample of spent cell juice exhibited several interesting and significant anomalous properties, and the questions and possibilities raised by these findings point the way for possible further research in the future. As those who know me can attest, I am not at all a New Agey person and I am also rather intolerant of many of the fads in the realms of fringe science, but I have been fascinated now for almost a year with the technology which is employed in the aetheric energy charging device used by Danae Harding. If I perform further research in this area, or have other news to share, I will attempt to share it both on my relevant list groups and also on this website.

This article discusses an exotic etheric energy technology employed by Ancient Tek to "charge" some of their ormus-rich and etheric energy-charged nutritional supplement products and skin care products. For more information on their products or for information on ordering their products, please see their Ancient Technologies (aka Ancient Tek) website.

An Email List Group of Interest

The Forbidden Science (VP) group hosted at encompasses and subsumes topics covered by each of the several relevant legacy list groups that I had operated at private Yahoo Groups, including Exotic Energies, Ormus-like, Ormus PWT, Time-Space Doorways, Elixir Vitae, Jenny Cell, Radiation Hormesis/Radiation Nutrition, and Quantum Quiet (space effect devices) legacy list groups.

Forbidden Science (VP)
The term "forbidden science" was first coined in the 1980s by Dr. Jaques Vallee, a PhD computer scientist and strange/fringe science researcher, to describe those fields of scientific investigation that the current scientific "establishment" tends to view as quack science, or as fringe science, and as undesirable topics for "serious" scientists to research; those fields include the topic of UFOs and "space aliens", alchemy, ormus nutritionals, the paranormal, overunity devices, exotic energies (aka prana or chi) beyond the pale of conventional electromagnetics, and numerous other "fringe science" and "strange science" realms.

This list group serves as a continuation of the various legacy forbidden science list groups, listed above, that were operated by Vinny Pinto for 15+ years until the October 2019 downscaling of Yahoo Groups. Vinny is a mystic, spiritual teacher/guide, spiritual healer, and a multi-disciplinary consulting and R&D scientist/engineer.

The primary focus of this list group is to discuss topics in the realms of forbidden science, aka strange science, aka fringe science, including UFOs and "space aliens", alchemy, ormus nutritionals, the paranormal, overunity devices, exotic energies (aka prana or chi) beyond the pale of conventional electromagnetics, and numerous other "fringe science" and "strange science" realms.

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